Curse

Racthoh · Jan 11, 2008, 06:58 AM // 06:58

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Originally Posted by Puritans Aid

is my alt ganna get banned a month later, just becuase it has some items still? Cause, honestly, We hadnt farmed this for a month, partly because its not profitable.

If I understand this correctly you get the gemset after each run meaning in theory with a group of 8 people that's an armbrace an under an hour. 100k + 35 ecto divided amongst 8 people isn't all that bad if you're getting one every hour, in addition to all of the other gems that drop during the ritual.

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We used grails/clerity, etc, 3 or 4 consumables per run.

Essence are the most, about 2500 or so (1500+ for feathers, 500 for dust, 250 gold for Essence). Again if 8 people are dividing the costs this is a non-issue. You could probably make up that cost selling the junk that sells when you're opening the door.

Puritans Aid · Jan 11, 2008, 06:58 AM // 06:58

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Originally Posted by vaxmor

You used ha4x and spl0itz and consummables (and presumably ursan) and you still failed a PvE mission (regularly)?!?!

and you call yourselves '1337'?

funniest thing I heard all day. If GW PvE is too hard for you, how do you '1337' think you will cope in a 60man raid (or other high-end raid) in WoW?

I would also like to second what Malice Black stated about needing h4x in GW PvE (page 1).

have you ever even done mallyx? You dont fail till u get to him. Partys fail a lot at him. Its very very hard. we were doing it in hard mode, which didnt even help the drop rate btw it still sucked, we failed a lot in hard mode at mallyx. If you had DONE mallyx you would know how hard it is.... I only did about 25 runs, but I didnt even complete a gymset.. WE failed a lot. I bought the gyms for the armbrace I did get.

maraxusofk · Jan 11, 2008, 07:00 AM // 07:00

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Originally Posted by Kayu Ishida

and it was not known by most of the 117 that it was even an exploit.

oh gee, i dont know about u, but id hope that someone realizes that, u know, skpping past parts of a quest to obtain the rewards would be considered an exploit and isnt wut the developers intended. maybe, im jsut one of those crazy people who woudl think something like that is true?

Puritans Aid · Jan 11, 2008, 07:04 AM // 07:04

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

If I understand this correctly you get the gemset after each run meaning in theory with a group of 8 people that's an armbrace an under an hour. 100k + 35 ecto divided amongst 8 people isn't all that bad if you're getting one every hour, in addition to all of the other gems that drop during the ritual.

Essence are the most, about 2500 or so (1500+ for feathers, 500 for dust, 250 gold for Essence). Again if 8 people are dividing the costs this is a non-issue. You could probably make up that cost selling the junk that sells when you're opening the door.

MAN< it took 8 hours to get an armbrace! 8 hours! the fastest hard mode run was fecking 20 minutes. and with failures .. 6 hrs possible, 8 hrs normal.. The 25 runs I did took place over nearly 2 months. U miss understand. it takes 15 gymsets to get an armbrace, and we would do 5 runs in a day max, with 2 failures, this means 2 months, 15 runs = 1 armbrace. Maybe this wasnt so with all the other s who did htis, but maybe htye knew they were cheating. I didnt know it was a cheat, I didnt make any money on it, and it was a waste of time. it took 20 runs basically to get an armbrace.

no you definately dont get an armbrace every run. HAHA then it truely woulda been insane.

Avarre · Jan 11, 2008, 07:06 AM // 07:06

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Originally Posted by Puritans Aid

MAN< it took 8 hours to get an armbrace! 8 hours! the fastest hard mode run was fecking 20 minutes. and with failures .. 6 hrs possible, 8 hrs normal.. The 25 runs I did took place over nearly 2 months. U miss understand. it takes 15 gymsets to get an armbrace, and we would do 5 runs in a day max, with 2 failures, this means 2 months, 15 runs = 1 armbrace. Maybe this wasnt so with all the other s who did htis, but maybe htye knew they were cheating. I didnt know it was a cheat, I didnt make any money on it, and it was a waste of time. it took 20 runs basically to get an armbrace.

no you definately dont get an armbrace every run. HAHA then it truely woulda been insane.

Just because your team was absolutely terrible does not excuse the sheer insanity of the farming power of the exploit.

**cosyfiep** · Jan 11, 2008, 07:07 AM // 07:07

geez I take a nap and a thread of 25 pages pops up.

Having recently tried DoA for the first time, I would NOT find it funny that there is an outpost. (not everyone reads wiki, nor believes what you read there)
Having NOT finished eye I have yet to get to the central transfer chamber, but I am told many others who have also not finished eye have been there.

I was doing the beak of darkness quest and going to kill the moa---my guildee wanted to cap the moa so I brought him along (he had only just gotten the quest)...when the moa appeared and he capped it, the quest was now complete in his log...was this an exploit???? (should my guildee be banned??)

During wintersday there was the quest where you had to get all the items to make freezie, however, many people didnt have ascalon on their toons (being from out of town...eg elonian or canthan) so instead they hitched up with people who had done the first part and just went to kill the grentches at the end.....quest completed without get the coal, hat etc.....was this an exploit as well---shouldnt these people be banned too????

I think anet has been making some bad business decisions recently, and it will come back and haunt them when gw2 is released, every few months there is a huge BAN stick and more loyal people leave gw.....
with no new content being offered (that we know of), is usually NOT a good business practice to pisssss off your customer base (unless of course they believe that their customer base is the bots who have to continue to buy accounts). (and whats this about gold buyers only getting a 72 hour ban?! geez)

so another huge sigh.....being doing that a lot recently here.

imbanned2 · Jan 11, 2008, 07:10 AM // 07:10

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Originally Posted by Puritans Aid

MAN< it took 8 hours to get an armbrace! 8 hours! the fastest hard mode run was fecking 20 minutes. and with failures .. 6 hrs possible, 8 hrs normal.. The 25 runs I did took place over nearly 2 months. U miss understand. it takes 15 gymsets to get an armbrace, and we would do 5 runs in a day max, with 2 failures, this means 2 months, 15 runs = 1 armbrace. Maybe this wasnt so with all the other s who did htis, but maybe htye knew they were cheating. I didnt know it was a cheat, I didnt make any money on it, and it was a waste of time. it took 20 runs basically to get an armbrace.

no you definately dont get an armbrace every run. HAHA then it truely woulda been insane.

lol always was a drama to get a team for do it so idk I got an armbrace every 2 weeks-1 month at least? xD waddaaaa exploit.. watch out!! hackers hackers!! xD watch now the market is a chaoooss! /hide rofl sureee sureee

IMO the exploit of /resign was worse and nobody got bann

Racthoh · Jan 11, 2008, 07:10 AM // 07:10

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Originally Posted by Puritans Aid

MAN< it took 8 hours to get an armbrace! 8 hours! the fastest hard mode run was fecking 20 minutes. and with failures .. 6 hrs possible, 8 hrs normal.. The 25 runs I did took place over nearly 2 months. U miss understand. it takes 15 gymsets to get an armbrace, and we would do 5 runs in a day max, with 2 failures, this means 2 months, 15 runs = 1 armbrace. Maybe this wasnt so with all the other s who did htis, but maybe htye knew they were cheating. I didnt know it was a cheat, I didnt make any money on it, and it was a waste of time. it took 20 runs basically to get an armbrace.

no you definately dont get an armbrace every run. HAHA then it truely woulda been insane.

Firstly I'm not sure why you would kill him on hardmode when the chest doesn't even drop double. Second, I said every hour; gemset from the reward (if that is how it works) and 8 people accepting it. Two runs in let's say 25 minutes would be 16 gemsets.

deluxe · Jan 11, 2008, 07:11 AM // 07:11

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Originally Posted by cosyfiep

geez I take a nap and a thread of 25 pages pops up.

Having recently tried DoA for the first time, I would NOT find it funny that there is an outpost. (not everyone reads wiki, nor believes what you read there)
Having NOT finished eye I have yet to get to the central transfer chamber, but I am told many others who have also not finished eye have been there.

I was doing the beak of darkness quest and going to kill the moa---my guildee wanted to cap the moa so I brought him along (he had only just gotten the quest)...when the moa appeared and he capped it, the quest was now complete in his log...was this an exploit???? (should my guildee be banned??)

During wintersday there was the quest where you had to get all the items to make freezie, however, many people didnt have ascalon on their toons (being from out of town...eg elonian or canthan) so instead they hitched up with people who had done the first part and just went to kill the grentches at the end.....quest completed without get the coal, hat etc.....was this an exploit as well---shouldnt these people be banned too????

I think anet has been making some bad business decisions recently, and it will come back and haunt them when gw2 is released, every few months there is a huge BAN stick and more loyal people leave gw.....
with no new content being offered (that we know of), is usually NOT a good business practice to pisssss off your customer base (unless of course they believe that their customer base is the bots who have to continue to buy accounts). (and whats this about gold buyers only getting a 72 hour ban?! geez)

so another huge sigh.....being doing that a lot recently here.

This hack/exploit is on a whole different level than the things you are talking about..... Let's look at the duping exploit, people got banned for that too. These people can solely destroy the complete economy of GuildWars.

Puritans Aid · Jan 11, 2008, 07:12 AM // 07:12

I want to make one point clear. If there IS a team who can Farm Mallyx 15 times in HARD MODE, without FAILING ONCE, I will give you all my gw accounts, and all the props you would then deserve. calling my team noobs for failing maybe 2 out of 7 .. omg.. ITS very clear you guys have A never farmed malyx, B never farmed him in hard mode. GG

My point was, I didnt make CRAP on it. And I didnt ruin the economy, and I only got 1 gymset from this in 2 months of knowing about it, and I did NOT know it was a cheat of some sort, and I dont see how you guys can keep saying its obvious, when to me it very much wasnt.

quicksilv3r · Jan 11, 2008, 07:15 AM // 07:15

This hack/exploit is on a whole different level than the things you are talking about..... Let's look at the duping exploit, people got banned for that too. These people can solely destroy the complete economy of GuildWars.-deluxe

ANET the one, selling gold for real cash bro.
thats how they have $100k tornament/upkeep servers

shiznid12 · Jan 11, 2008, 07:17 AM // 07:17

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Originally Posted by Puritans Aid

I want to make one point clear. If there IS a team who can Farm Mallyx 15 times in HARD MODE, without FAILING ONCE, I will give you all my gw accounts, and all the props you would then deserve. calling my team noobs for failing maybe 2 out of 7 .. omg.. ITS very clear you guys have A never farmed malyx, B never farmed him in hard mode. GG

My point was, I didnt make CRAP on it. And I didnt ruin the economy, and I only got 1 gymset from this in 2 months of knowing about it, and I did NOT know it was a cheat of some sort, and I dont see how you guys can keep saying its obvious, when to me it very much wasnt.

1, it's gemset.
2, Arena Net only has logs of you doing it a bajillion times. They don't know why you did it, or what your motive was. They don't care either, you did it way too much. Also, it's your responsibility to know what is an exploit and what isn't.

Puritans Aid · Jan 11, 2008, 07:22 AM // 07:22

oh and another thing, you have apoint, you could make a gymset every hour between 8 ppl. and using a few heroes, ok maybe 60k an hour, ifyour a total greedy garbage bag, and you know its an exploit, and your trying ot make an ass load of money.

Heres the thing. My guild didnt KNOW it was an exploit, ARENT greedy garbage bags, and only did it around 1 gymset worth in 2 months!!!

IF I want to make 60k an hour, I simply 2 man FOW.. WHY would I do something that costs more money/is harder/takes an 8 man team/ etc etc etc.. What your saying, maybe someone somewhere did that. Not me, not my guild. Is there ways to make 60k an hour? yes. 3 that I know of and could do, even now on my alt. I didnt know It was an exploit, Didnt use it for making fast gold ..

I PLAY THIS GAME/played this game, FOR FUN! NOT for some huge amount of gold. go look at my titles, gaile gray. There all at 90%, but not done. like 28 of them. I dont care about KBD lvl 10, or my guild hall has golden walls, or Gaile gray is my GF.. I dont care about fow armor, I hav eit on 1 char. I give away more gold than most ppl make.

Im not a gw gold monger/economy ruiner. I play for fun. 600ing is fun. farming slavers 8 man is fun. deep 12 man is fun.. Malyx wasnt. It had been a month since I /we did it and we got banned. We didnt make money, we didnt ruin economy. why are we punished/ 25 runs, most failed? Grand.

** OH and we did hard mode because we all wanted a gold gloom sheild*** and they drop OH so rarely.

but even that has nothing to do with Exploit whatever. WE didnt know. We honeslty farmed, and we were honestly banned.

GG I guess we ar enoobs for not knowing it for what it apparently was. I am not saying i didnt do it, or I only did it 1once. no lies. Pure truth >> theres better farms that make the same money, that are acctually. fun

Did ursan ruine GW? maybe its 2 easy. but its kinda fun to do once in a while. However, mallyx HM stands up to that test.

GL in game.

Uber Mass · Jan 11, 2008, 07:24 AM // 07:24

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Originally Posted by Puritans Aid

MAN< it took 8 hours to get an armbrace! 8 hours! the fastest hard mode run was fecking 20 minutes. and with failures .. 6 hrs possible, 8 hrs normal.. The 25 runs I did took place over nearly 2 months. U miss understand. it takes 15 gymsets to get an armbrace, and we would do 5 runs in a day max, with 2 failures, this means 2 months, 15 runs = 1 armbrace. Maybe this wasnt so with all the other s who did htis, but maybe htye knew they were cheating. I didnt know it was a cheat, I didnt make any money on it, and it was a waste of time. it took 20 runs basically to get an armbrace.

no you definately dont get an armbrace every run. HAHA then it truely woulda been insane.

so you mapped 5 times a day straight to the endboss... and didnt know done something against the EULA.. interesting...

anhoo not a hair on my body cares about the banned users.... Exploiters yuck good riddens imho

Peace out

shiznid12 · Jan 11, 2008, 07:24 AM // 07:24

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Originally Posted by imbanned2

so is an exploit a bug.. breach that they left opened? gg

If you would kindly read the Terms of Agreement, you cannot use exploits or bugs for personal benefit. You don't work for Arena Net, so you don't know the methods they have to use to go about clearing up a bug like this.

Like most people said, DELETE THE OUTPOST. Yeah, great idea, when that will remove ALL of DoA.

imbanned2 · Jan 11, 2008, 07:34 AM // 07:34

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Originally Posted by shiznid12

If you would kindly read the Terms of Agreement, you cannot use exploits or bugs for personal benefit. You don't work for Arena Net, so you don't know the methods they have to use to go about clearing up a bug like this.

Like most people said, DELETE THE OUTPOST. Yeah, great idea, when that will remove ALL of DoA.

was a hidden outpost.. not entire doa for ur info.. and another thing the previous "exploit" was worse and for personal benefit I believe.. but nobody got bann.. cuz there u have a kick in the economy.. yeh economy of ANet.. bann more than 1million ppl is not a benefit at all

Uber Mass · Jan 11, 2008, 07:41 AM // 07:41

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Originally Posted by Puritans Aid

*blah*

The quest Mallyx the unyielding says this....

Go to the City of Torc'qua and destroy Lord Jadoth
Go to the Ravenhart Gloom and destroy the Greater Nightmare
Go to the foundry of failed creations and destroy the Fury

etc etc

but wait you havent done any of them?????

and making a build to "solo" a mission is by far different then just skipping 95% of your quest to the last boss (and his 30 groups before you start whining about that)

and yes i am noob at least noob enough NOT to exploit a bug... kthxbai

Puritans Aid · Jan 11, 2008, 07:47 AM // 07:47

OMG btw, re read gaile grays confusing really large post on the matter. She contradicts her self 12 times. ITs a hack, but u dont have to hack to get it. Its a test zone, but we didnt use it to test, Its not a test zone, but it was used for testing, We banned ppl who had used the town or mapped it, but we only banned people who used it at least 5 times, etc etc etc. ITs all contradictions.

Thanks for the confusion Gaile Gray. Next time please tell me why I'm banned? Cause The confusing contradictions dont even help at all.
Thanks.

wanmoke · Jan 11, 2008, 07:49 AM // 07:49

Whee, I dunno if my post will "contribute" to the discussion, but here goes.

Guild Wars is a game, made and owned by a company. You do not own Guild Wars, what you own is a license. In essence, they are renting out to you the right to play the game with an access key, just as a landlord rents out the right for a person to live in an apartment.

In accordance with this license comes a lease, or the End User License Agreement(EULA) that, when you add the access key, YOU SIGN! For all intent and purposes, it is a legally binding document. If you don't read it, tough, you signed it. It states:

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(iv) take any action or upload, post, e-mail or otherwise transmit any content as determined by NC Interactive at its sole discretion that is harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortuous, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable; or contains any viruses, trojan horses, worms, time bombs, cancelbots or other computer programming routines that are intended to damage, detrimentally interfere with, surreptitiously intercept or expropriate any system, data or personal information;

A programming routine that involves changing data in your .dat file is violating that passage. Violating it once is still violating it.

To those who say they only used it once. Why should we believe you? We only have your word that you only did it once. You're also admitting to it which is enough to sanction your account. Gaile said they didn't ban those who had visited the outpost once. That means that they have some sort of proof that you did it several times.

If this happened to me, and I felt I was unjustly banned, and Support said otherwise, yes, I'd be mad. And I probably would refuse to support the company in any further endeavors. But this is a game. It is supposed to be for FUN! If you gain pleasure from hurting other people's enjoyment, you don't deserve to play.

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#9 You may not modify any part of the Guild Wars Client, Server, or any part of the official Guild Wars websites.

They edited the client.

CountAristotle · Jan 11, 2008, 07:51 AM // 07:51

I'm not defending our exploitation, but by God.. I see post after post saying that you can do this without ever beating DoA.. all fours areas AND Mallyx.

Please understand, you did have to have completed all four DoA areas and Mallyx all the good ole "hard way" or "super-easy way Ursan". AFTER that and only after all the areas were done could you do the exploit. Thanks.